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Tuesday, March 27, 2018

Minor League Players’ Wage Suit against Major League Baseball suffers a huge setback – HardballTalk

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Like the Curt Flood example, you will not get redress from the courts. They will point the finger at Congress. You will not get redress from Congress, they are bought and paid for by entities more powerful, better connected and better funded than you and your union.

You might get redress from your union when they negotiate a new CBA with management. You might want to contact your player reps and see how much this means to the brethren..

History is a great teacher if only folks would listen and learn from it.

MLBPA where are you? MIA?

from nbcsports.com

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/07/22/minor-league-players-wage-suit-against-major-league-baseball-suffers-a-huge-setback/

Minor League Players' Wage Suit against Major League Baseball suffers a huge setback

A judge handed minor leaguers looking to hold Major League Baseball liable for underpaying and exploiting them a huge setback today, ruling that the case cannot go forward as a class action. Minor leaguers who want to sue over their pay and treatment still can, but they'll have to do it individually. The ruling saps the minor leaguers of their leverage, as Major League Baseball would likely be able to fend off individual cases which, by themselves, might only amount to several thousand dollars per claim.

The background: in 2014, former Miami Marlins player Aaron Senne sued Major League Baseball, Bud Selig, and three major league clubs claiming that minor leaguers are underpaid and exploited in violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act. He was later joined by former Royals minor leaguer Michael Liberto and Giants farmhand Oliver Odle. Eventually others joined and the suit had been expanded to 22 teams as defendants.
The upshot of the case is that, while the minor league season lasts only part of the year, players are required to do all sorts of things outside of merely playing games for which they are not compensated. Training, meetings, appearances and the like. When all of that time is added up, the players claim, their already low salaries are effectively far below minimum wage in violation of the law. Major League Baseball has countered this by claiming that minor leaguers are basically part time seasonal workers — like landscapers and pool boys — who are not subject to federal labor laws.

Last year the judge gave the case conditional certification, allowing the players to try to establish that it should go forward as a class action. This would streamline the case from the plaintiffs' perspective and give them the power of collective action by asserting hundreds or more similar cases into one proceeding. The judge's ruling today, however, was that the cases really weren't factually similar and thus collective action was not appropriate because figuring out how many hours each player worked and what was required of him varied too greatly among the players.

"The difficulties associated with determining what activities constitute 'work' in the context of winter training are compounded by the fact that there appear to be no official records documenting these activities. Because it may be impossible to determine from official records the types of conditioning activities in which the players engaged, membership in the state classes based on winter training would depend largely upon the players' ability to remember, with a reasonable amount of detail, what they did during the off-season (often for multiple years and for many, several years in the past) to stay fit."
The judge said that, in light of this, each case would be unique and would require "individualized inquiries" to find damages and liability. That phrase –"individualized inquiries" — constitutes magic words which sink would-be class actions. If a company overcharges all of its customers by $8 due to an error repeated a million times, it's easy to look at one set of facts and judge them together. If you had to look at a million different wrongs, that's no class action. And so it is not a class action for the players.

As many courts who have dealt with these sorts of cases have noted, for many plaintiffs, a class action is the only practical method of adjudicating Fair Labor Standards Act cases because individual plaintiffs are frequently unable to bear the costs of separate trials. They are, by definition, (allegedly) exploited workers. They're not going to be able to pay legal costs and fight off a multi-billion dollar business in order to collect the few thousand dollars they were underpaid. At the same time, however, the defendants have rights too and, if the facts of each players' treatment truly differ (e.g. the Yankees make their minor leaguers do more than the Brewers do) it's not fair to bind one defendant's defense to the acts of another.

So, where does this leave the players? Not dead. Not yet, at least. Their claims have not been dismissed on the merits. They have only been denied the right to act collectively. The individual plaintiffs can now file separate lawsuits against their former employers and Major League Baseball under the same theories. It would be harder to land a big blow in such a scenario, but if enough do, it could end up being death by a thousand cuts for the clubs and the league. Their legal fees might go up and, eventually, if they lose enough of these cases, more might be filed. There are a lot of former minor leaguers, after all, and once there's some blood in the water, more of them — and their lawyers — may enter the frenzy. Decertification is certainly a win for the league right now, but it's not necessarily a permanent win.

There are likewise some other quasi-collective forms this case could take such as multi-district litigation in which the cases, while individual, are coordinated in a loose fashion. That could lead to some efficiencies for suing players even if it's not as robust as a class action.

We've written quite a bit about minor league pay and treatment in this space by now, so you probably know where we stand on it. We believe that minor leaguers are exploited and underpaid and we believe that Major League Baseball has been happy to exploit and underpay them for some time. Ultimately we believe that this state of affairs cannot and will not persist and that eventually, somehow, baseball will either see fit to pay its workers fairly or, more likely, will be forced to do so by a court or by collective bargaining of some fashion.

Today, however, was a big setback for the minor leaguers. Today's ruling will give Major League Baseball and its clubs more time and more comfort in which to underpay them. There's no doubt about it.

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Thursday, July 04, 2013

NPR: Justice Sotomayor takes swing (and misses) at famed baseball case

Sotomayor is escorted onto the field by New
 York Yankees catcher Jorge Posada to throw out the ceremonial first pitch before the New York Yankees game against the Boston Red Sox at Yankee Stadium on Sept. 26, 2009.


Normally there is not much to be gained from trolling through the comments section of any blog or newspaper. 

Much like the Billy Madison bit, you just end up dumber for the experience and lose faith in your fellow man. 
Most of the time, you are reminded of the old Robert Heinlen quote, 
"Never teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig". 
But once in a while you stumble across a gem tossed in the garbage dump. 

This NPR piece about Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor takes a retrospective look at the Curt Flood case 
(which the Supreme Court botched IMO). Of course, Justice Sototmayor is going to make the Supremes 
look better in the rear-view mirror because she is one of them. But down at the bottom of the comments section
is a different view from one Curt Flood, Jr. and he takes her to task for her analysis. 



from Mr. Flood's diatribe below:


So what else is new in America? Not much in the way of social justice has changed. We race to 
bail-out banks, supposedly "too big to fail," with the urgency and "stat!" expedience, care and 
compassion we would in treating an injured infant. But who is there to bail-out the hurting, wounded 
and damaged families in the banks' reckless wake? Not a soul. Flood Vs. Kuhn was no different.

Of course, some will say that Curt Flood, Jr. is biased to make his Dad look better in the rear-view mirror and to 
that I would just sigh and say "He shouldn't have to." IMO, Junior knocked it out of the park defending his Dad's 
under-recognized role in shaping baseball into the $5-6 billion dollar industry it is today, along with Marvin Miller.

Those two (Miller and Flood) have every much right to be in the Baseball Hall of Fame for their "contributions" as 
many others who currently reside there. It's a growing list. Pretty soon we'll have more folks who should be in the
Hall who for one reason or another are permanently on the outside looking in. 



With all due respect, Jackie Robinson opened doors for black ballplayers that were previously closed, but Curt 

Flood helped remove the chains that bound ALL players into bondage to their teams in perpetuity (via the Reserve
 Clause) which gave real-life meaning to the phrase "Property of...".

  



Curt Flood, Jr.'s comments, and the entire farce of this exercise by this elitist, self-indulgent organization shows

how out of touch the Supreme Court is with life in America, which is tragic and has real-life consequences for 
those who have to deal with the yoke of their horrible decision-making.  In context, here we are talking about a 
game. Elsewhere, these clowns have whiffed on larger life issues like slavery, abortion, forced sterilization and 
the list goes on and on.  



more from Mr. Flood:

"But sometimes, she said, the question is not whether the decision was wrong, but whether this is
the right time to overrule it.??" The "Justice" is joking, right? More waggish and puckish humor, I 
suppose? Well, I'm not amused. Nor are the three generations of my nuclear family, who still feel 
the painful reverberating effects from that Kangaroo Court's ridiculously bogus, miscarriage of 
justice. The "right time to overrule it?" Wow. She really should be ashamed of herself for saying 
something that one-sided, unfair and galactically misguided. Flood Vs. Kuhn eviscerated a good 
and decent man and his family: Physically, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, and, 
yes—financially. It gutted my dad in every conceivable human way possible. Nevermind the death 
threats, lifetime blackballing from ever working in Major League Baseball or any chance at 
Cooperstown. Thank you, stare decisis and Judge Sotomayor, well done!

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from npr.org

May 23, 2013 5:23 PM

Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor's wicked, waggish sense of humor — and knowledge of baseball — 
were on full display Wednesday, when she presided over a re-enactment of Flood v. Kuhn, the 1972 case that unsuccessfully challenged baseball's antitrust exemption.

The event, put on by the Supreme Court Historical Society, took place in the court chamber, and as 
Sotomayor took her place at the center of the bench, normally the chief justice's chair, she remarked 
puckishly, "This is the first time I've sat here. It feels pretty good."


For those who don't remember, the case was brought by St. Louis Cardinals great Curt Flood, who challenged baseball's
 reserve clause — the provision that allowed teams to virtually own players, set salaries and conduct trades, with the 
players for all practical purposes never able to negotiate freely with other teams. That meant that at the time Flood 
brought his challenge in 1970, he was earning what was then considered a top salary of $90,000. This, for a player who 
had signed with the Cards at age 18, with no agent or lawyer, and who in six of the next 12 seasons batted .300 and won 
seven Gold Glove awards. So, when he was traded to the Philadelphia Phillies, a definitely lesser team at the time, he 
refused to go, and could not play for any team.
He wrote to the then-baseball commissioner, Bowie Kuhn, protesting that he was "not a piece of property to be bought 
and sold." Kuhn denied his request for free agency — a concept unrecognized by baseball back then — and Flood sued, 
seeking to block the perpetual use of the reserve clause.
All of these facts, and more, were detailed on Wednesday night by University of Wisconsin law professor Brad Snyder, author of A Well Paid Slave.
In 1972, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Flood by a vote of 5 to 3. The decision, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, 
is widely disrespected today (more on that later). But because Blackmun frankly acknowledged that the court's previous 
rulings upholding baseball's antitrust exemption were wrong, his opinion led to the subsequent creation of a free agency 
system in baseball.

In 1994, however, nearly two decades after the Flood decision and the ensuing changes in baseball, the owners sought 
to effectively nullify the free agency system, and the baseball players struck, wiping out the playoffs and the World 
Series. The National Labor Relations Board went to court, contending that the owners were negotiating in bad faith, 
and the case came before a young federal district court judge named Sonia Sotomayor.
She agreed that the owners were colluding illegally to fix salaries and granted a temporary injunction barring them from 
doing that. Sotomayor, a wildly dedicated Yankees fan, issued her opinion in time to allow the new baseball season to 
begin as scheduled on opening day, with the old baseball contract in effect. She thus earned the title, "the judge who 
saved baseball."
So it was no accident that the Supreme Court Historical Society got Sotomayor to preside over the re-enactment of 
the Flood case this week.
Representing Flood at the re-enactment was Stanford Law professor Pamela Karlan, a frequent Supreme Court advocate,
and ironically, a former Blackmun law clerk. And representing Major League Baseball was another frequent Supreme 
Court advocate, Roy Englert.
Karlan opened, noting that the Supreme Court's 1922 and 1953 decisions upholding baseball's antitrust exemption were 
outliers and that the court had not permitted such an exemption for any other professional sport.
Sotomayor asked why the court should "break with tradition," thus depriving the owners of their "reliance" on previous decisions.
Karlan shot back that if the court were to side with the owners for a third time, it would amount to something done in 
 baseball only once before — three errors on a single play.
Sotomayor, with a straight face, opined that the court could apply another baseball rule: three strikes and you're out.
Karlan, undaunted, replied, "I'm swinging for the fences here, your honor."

Sotomayor asked what would happen if the court were to take away the antitrust exemption. Wouldn't the players move 
around so much that fans would have no team loyalty?

No, rejoined Karlan, the owners would just have to pay the players what they are worth in order to hold on to them, 
and instead of year-to-year contracts that leave players with no leverage, the owners would have to negotiate 
longer-term contracts.

Sotomayor, in mock horror, said that if the antitrust exemption were abolished and owners could no longer collude 
to set player salaries at will, the Yankees might have to pay Reggie Jackson $1 million a year!
Worse, replied Karlan, would be if the Yanks paid Alex Rodriguez a quarter of a billion dollars not to play.
"I can't imagine such a thing!" answered a shocked Sotomayor.
Returning to the legal question, Karlan noted that in the late 1800s and early 1900s baseball was competitive, with
 independent leagues, and that to interpret the antitrust law, as the Supreme Court did in 1922 when it said baseball 
was exempt, was ridiculous. Just as ridiculous was the court's assertion that the sport was not involved in interstate 
commerce.
Next up to the lectern was Roy Englert, representing the baseball commissioner and owners. He noted that some 50 
bills had been introduced in Congress over the years to eliminate the antitrust exemption, and none had passed. 
The court, he said, should leave the question to Congress.
But Sotomayor asked, "Where are the rights of the players?" Quoting Curt Flood, she said that the baseball system 
was a form of "involuntary servitude" that does not exist in any other industry.
Englert replied that "these young men are making on average $28,000 ... as much as Supreme Court justices." 
Moreover, unlike other sports, he observed, baseball puts enormous investment into training players in the 
minor leagues.
Sotomayor, however, had a deeper question. What do we do "to the integrity of the court" when we let a 
"clearly erroneous decision stand?" And how long should we let it stand?
Do we let it stand, asked the judicial Yankee fan, "as long as it takes the Red Sox to win a World Series?"
At the close of the argument, Sotomayor summarized the late Justice Blackmun's opinion, noting that it was 
"notorious" for its seven-page sentimental opening, reciting the history of baseball, and listing some 88 best 
players of all time. It was so un-judgelike, she observed, that Chief Justice Warren Burger (and Justice Byron White) 
refused to sign on to that section of the opinion.
They did, however, join those sections upholding the antitrust exemption and the reserve clause, a judgment 
based only on the doctrine of stare decisis, respect for precedent. Indeed, Blackmun conceded that the court 
had been wrong when it said the game was not involved in interstate commerce, and he concluded only that 
the exemption should continue because the court had previously said so and Congress had done nothing to 
overrule the court.
What would I have done, asked Sotomayor? Well, first of all she would have insisted that Joe DiMaggio be 
added to the list of baseball greats, and on that condition she would have joined the opening section of 
Blackmun's opinion.
But she would have dissented on the legal conclusions. There is "not much legal justification" for the ruling, 
she said, noting that the prior decisions were based on doctrine that was by 1972 "hopelessly outdated."
And in comments that might be read as applying to affirmative action or voting rights or abortion decisions 
of the past that the current conservative Supreme Court majority disagrees with, she had further observations.
"There are Supreme Court decisions that are wrong," she said. The court's 1896 decision upholding segregation 
was wrong, and the Supreme Court was right to reverse it in 1954. But sometimes, she said, the question is not 
whether the decision was wrong, but whether this is the right time to overrule it.
Today, she observed, we see as "horrible" the reserve clause that deprived players of any real negotiating power. 
But at the time, what both sides thought they were arguing about was "the very survival of baseball."

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    Dan Feller • 17 days ago
    There are some considerable inaccuracies in this story, which surprises me from Nina Totenberg, 
    who is presumed to know her stuff. The Supreme Court never reversed its antitrust exemption for 
    baseball and the reserve clause was never judicially overturned. It was simply interpreted (by a 
    labor arbitrator acting under the contractually stipulated arbitration procedure) to mean what it 
    literally said: that an unsigned player was bound for one year, but no more, to his present club. 
    The owners appealed that ruling to the courts and were rebuffed under the precedent set by the 
    Steeworkers Trilogy cases (argued and won by David Feller, my father) that courts should not 
    intervene to overturn an award made by an arbitrator acting within his proper authority.
    In short, her statement that "because Blackmun frankly acknowledged that the court's previous 
    rulings upholding baseball's antitrust exemption were wrong, his opinion led to the subsequent 
    creation of a free agency system in baseball" is itself completely wrong. The free agent system 
    was created by arbitration followed by contract negotiation. The Supreme Court had nothing to 
    do with it whatever.
    Marvin Miller got this right in A Whole Different Ballgame.








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    curtfloodjr • 13 days ago
    You know, maybe, just maybe, had Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Yogi Berra, Whitey Ford, 
    Casey Stengel, and the rest of Justice Sotomayor's beloved NewYork Yankees, had the courage, 
    selflessness, or, at least one altrusitic bone in their body, to have shown up at the US Supreme 
    Court in support of my father; and testify in denunciation of the 'Curse from Antietam;' Reserve 
    Clause—as Jackie Robinson and Hank Greenberg bravely did–their jovial little reenactment party
    last week might not have been necessary at all.
    "But sometimes, she said, the question is not whether the decision was wrong, but whether this is
    the right time to overrule it.??" The "Justice" is joking, right? More waggish and puckish humor, I 
    suppose? Well, I'm not amused. Nor are the three generations of my nuclear family, who still feel 
    the painful reverberating effects from that Kangaroo Court's ridiculously bogus, miscarriage of 
    justice. The "right time to overrule it?" Wow. She really should be ashamed of herself for saying 
    something that one-sided, unfair and galactically misguided. Flood Vs. Kuhn eviscerated a good 
    and decent man and his family: Physically, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, and, 
    yes—financially. It gutted my dad in every conceivable human way possible. Nevermind the death 
    threats, lifetime blackballing from ever working in Major League Baseball or any chance at 
    Cooperstown. Thank you, stare decisis and Judge Sotomayor, well done!
    "But at the time, what both sides thought they were arguing about was 'the very survival of baseball.
    '" No, that's not at all what they thought, at all.. One side was driven by a woeful lack of imagination 
    and fueled by obcene, and unrepentent, greed. And the other side, by a deep-seated sense of 
    principle, fairness, and faith that the United States Constitution might actually be worth more than 
    the parchment it's written on. But Bowie Kuhn and half the Supreme Court were in the pockets of 
    the baseball club owners. I know it and the good Justice Sotomayor knows it. And not only in the 
    private country club kinship and spirit of the time, but because Justice Lewis Powell recused 
    himself owing to his ownership of stock in Anheuser-Busch, which owned the Cardinals. 
    What a coincience.
    So what else is new in America? Not much in the way of social justice has changed. We race to 
    bail-out banks, supposedly "too big to fail," with the urgency and "stat!" expedience, care and 
    compassion we would in treating an injured infant. But who is there to bail-out the hurting, wounded 
    and damaged families in the banks' reckless wake? Not a soul. Flood Vs. Kuhn was no different.
    Curt Flood, Jr.
    Los Angeles

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